True Crime

Underbelly meets Molly's Game - the true crime investigation that rewrote the story of Melbourne's infamous gangland war and triggered a royal commission. Melbourne's gangland war was an era dominated by murders, stings, hits, drug busts, corruption and greed - inspiring bestselling books and even a popular TV series, Underbelly. It took the police a decade to curtail the violence...

The award-winning, definitive account of Australia's most notorious cold case, now fully updated with new information. Winner of the Ned Kelly Award for True Crime On 4 July 1975, Juanita Nielsen set out on foot through the wintry streets of Sydney's red-light district. The chic heiress and newspaper publisher had a business meeting with a man called Eddie Trigg, a...

The bestselling account of one of South Australia's worst series of crimes— the bodies in the barrels. A disused bank vault holding eight dismembered bodies immersed in barrels of acid. Two bodies buried in a suburban backyard. A further two found in the bush. Such were the findings of one of South Australia's most horrific murder trials. Informed by material...

Follow a journalist and TV producer from 48 Hours and 60 Minutes as she carves out a career in the ruthless, knives-out world of true crime television . . . one killer story at a time. Serial killers. Homicidal spouses. Sociopathic criminals. Claire St. Amant has met them all. She spent nearly a decade in network television chasing the biggest...

Killers Caught explores how more than 20 of the world's most notorious and prolific killers were finally brought to justice. They thought they had got away with murder. They were wrong. Discover the vital clues, the crucial evidence, the lucky breaks, the chases, the painstaking detective work, and the unlikely heroes that led to the capture of some of the...

Bestselling author, co-host of the hit podcast The Murder Squad, and true-crime investigative journalist Billy Jensen goes to Columbus, Ohio, where he examines the unsolved cases of eighteen dead and missing women, whom he suspects were the victims of serial killers on the loose and operating under cover of the opioid epidemic in America's heartland. In Chase Darkness with Me,...

The message was powerfully clear. If you threatened the harmony of the Joke, you didn't last long. Continuing on from the bestselling Three Crooked Kings, Jacks and Jokers opens in 1976. Terry Lewis, exiled in western Queensland, is soon to be controversially appointed Police Commissioner. As for the other two original Crooked Kings, Tony Murphy is set to ruthlessly take...

On 2 December 2010, the body of a 24-year-old woman was found at the bottom of the rubbish chute in the luxury Balencea tower apartments on St Kilda Road, Melbourne, twelve floors below the apartment she shared with her boyfriend, Antony Hampel. Within minutes, the sound of sirens filled the hall as police cars from the nearby police station filled...

Don’t Miss the Apple TV+ Docuseries Streaming Now! “This book is as engrossing as anything by Agatha Christie, as unsettling as a novel by Stephen King, and reported with a vigorous empathy that leaves Truman Capote in the dust. Scott Johnson’s courage, his relentless quest for the truth behind a set of brilliantly obscured cruelties, and his examination of the...

Discover delightfully ghostly locations in all 50 states and plan your next haunted holiday. Do you believe in ghosts? Do you love reading about hauntings? Have you ever wanted to experience a close encounter with the paranormal? Then Haunted Hotels in America is for you! You've watched stories about hauntings on popular TV shows and Netflix documentaries and heard about...

This is the graphic, authentic, and often humorous autobiography of a young man's journey into Melbourne's underworld and nightclub scene in the recent past. The Hammer was capable of inflicting indescribable pain on anyone that stood in his way. Violence and a manipulative, calculating streak were his tools of trade. This story gives the reader a rare insight into addiction,...

Shocking true stories from inside Australian women's jails, from Australia's number-one bestselling true crime writer. Ever wondered what life is like for our Aussie jailbirds? Is it as bad as Wentworth or Orange is the New Black? No. It's worse. Ivan Milat, the notorious backpacker serial killer, is not the most feared person in the prison system. Nor is it...

Meshel Laurie, host of the incredibly successful Australian True Crime podcast, speaks to the forensic pathologists, homicide detectives, defence barristers, and victims' families in this moving and gripping study of violent crime and largescale natural disaster. Grave Secrets is a gripping account of the work of the forensic scientists on the frontline of Australia's major crime and disaster investigations. They...

Framed blows the lid off one of Melbourne’s most puzzling secrets: Who stole Picasso’s Weeping Woman from the NGV in 1986. Written by the brother of the brilliant artist who was framed for the crime, Framed draws on never-before-revealed information told to the author before his brother died. Framed is totally engrossing and highly controversial. It is at once a...

An investigation into the deaths of six Aboriginal women and the police responses that left families reeling If you think it's hard being a white woman in Australia, try being a black woman. These were the words that set a team of journalists at the Adelaide Advertiser on an investigation into the tragic deaths of six young Indigenous women. It...

Don't Make a Fuss by Wendy Davis is the harrowing true story of the author's encounter with the Claremont Serial Killer and her survival. In 2020, after the longest and most expensive trial in Western Australian history, Bradley Robert Edwards was convicted of two of the Claremont Serial Killings—a series of unsolved murders that had haunted the state since the...

Don't fool yourself that the innocent never go to jail. When Bob Chappell disappeared from his yacht, moored in the Derwent Estuary near the Royal Yacht Club of Tasmania's marina, on the night of 26 January 2009, he left behind his pipe and tobacco—something that his partner of 18 years, Sue Neill-Fraser, knew he would never willingly do. What she...

Investigative journalism is not for the faint-hearted. I know our job is not to be loved—our job is to tell the truth and do so without fear or favour. Kate McClymont Employing her insider status and trademark wit, pace, and intelligence, Kate McClymont unravels the complex business relationships between Michael McGurk and Ron Medich. Rumour has it that Sydney is...

Dark Tales from the Long River offers a window into an evolving history of Western Australia that is still struggling into the light. From searches for serial killers and missing persons to the persecution of migrants and Aboriginal people, David Price takes us back to a time when the line between lawmakers and criminals was lightly drawn. Based on a...

We had been there for over 12 hours. The man was still 30 feet up a tree, balancing on a branch directly over one of the main railway lines out of one of the busiest train stations in the country. He refused to talk to us, threatening to jump if we came too close. To him, we were the enemy....

From the bestselling author of Murders That Shocked Australia comes another true crime anthology of shocking proportions. With enough gruesome tales to send shivers up your spine, join Ian Ferguson as he documents the most memorable moments in Australia's crime history. Gangland murders, kidnappings, hold-ups, mutilation and more, these crimes that occurred in our own backyard are hard to believe...

In the turbulent years from 1922 to 1952, Australia witnessed a chilling toll as twenty-two dedicated police officers sacrificed their lives in the line of duty. Others fell with them. Emerging from the shadows of World War I, the nation, newly minted and resilient, navigated through The Great Depression's pall, only to confront the re-emergence of war. During World War...

Millions have been entertained by the viral video of a man being arrested after a ‘succulent Chinese meal’. But when Mark Dapin investigated, it emerged that this man's story went to the heart of the Australian underworld. A true crime cult classic in the making. Whether you know it as the ‘succulent Chinese meal’ video, or ‘democracy manifest’, chances are...

Winner of the Ned Kelly Award for True Crime. From the creator of the Walkley Award-winning podcast comes the story of a small Australian town, the murders of three children, and a desperate fight for justice. A true crime story cannot often be believed, at least at the beginning. In Bowraville, all three of the victims were Aboriginal. All three...

The highly anticipated inside look at the collapse of the Murdaugh dynasty by the celebrated investigative journalist and creator of the #1 hit Murdaugh Murders Podcast, Mandy Matney. Years before the name Alex Murdaugh was splashed across every major media outlet in America, local South Carolina journalist Mandy Matney had an instinct that something wasn’t right in the Lowcountry. The...

Cruel and evil, Katherine Knight showed no mercy when she butchered her de facto in a crime that put her behind bars in an Australian prison for a record life sentence. Beyond Bad is a shocking true story of Knight and her crimes—the ritual slaying and skinning of her de facto for a cannibal feast. Knight, a 44-year-old abattoir worker,...

On 29 April 1959, Sandra Willson, a twenty-year-old trainee psychiatric nurse from Paddington, devastated by the break-up of her relationship with her female lover, left her home and hailed a taxi. Asking the driver to take her to a remote location on the coast near Cronulla, she waited until he had stopped to consult a map and then shot him...

Banquet: The Untold Story of Adelaide's Family Murders was shortlisted for Best True Crime in the 2022 Ned Kelly Awards. In this definitive exposé, Walkley-award winning journalist Debi Marshall turns her investigative blowtorch to the shocking Adelaide Family murders and to secrets long hidden in the City of Corpses. This chilling account begins with the liberalisation of South Australia under...

'Porky Pig' stalks the yard, snorting and grunting as he stares down the prison guard. 'Whatcha looking at,' yells Martin Bryant, Australia's worst serial killer. The guard stays silent. Says nothing. He simply takes one step towards the monster, now fat, bald and broken. 'Leave me alone,' he screams. He then runs to the corner of the yard where he...

'Pentridge was a place of murder and mayhem. A bluestone hell. The worst prison Australia has ever seen.' Andrew Kirby, former inmate Welcome to Pentridge, Australia's most infamous prison. In the long-awaited return to his bestselling true crime series on life behind bars, James Phelps has finally turned his attention to HM Prison Pentridge - the bluestone behemoth that was...

Welcome to Long Bay, Australia's hardest prison. For the first time, guards and inmates of the notorious South Sydney facility reveal what really goes on behind its towering concrete walls. Opened in 1909, Long Bay Jail, originally a women's reformatory, has a dark and extraordinary history. From ghosts to legendary prisoners, there has been an infamous collection of Long Bay...

Australia's Number 1 True Crime Writer on Australia's Greatest Gold Robbery. On 15 June 1862, a gang of bushrangers held up a gold escort at Eugowra, just east of Forbes, NSW. They escaped with a pile of cash and 77 kilograms of gold, worth about $10 million today. It remains the largest gold robbery in Australian history. In this riveting...

Haunting true crime stories of the supernatural and paranormal The most haunted home that world-famous ghost hunter Lorraine Warren ever stepped foot in was a three-bedroom brick home in suburban Sydney. Forget the horrors of Amityville and delve into Australia's most haunted places. Australian Ghost Stories is a spine-tingling collection of true crime tales that will leave you feeling haunted...

Seven Australians and one New Zealander set out on an epic adventure to trek Papua New Guinea's remote Black Cat Track. As they make their first steps toward the track, they have no inkling of the disaster that will enfold them. Situated to the north of the Kokoda Track, the Black Cat Track is reputed to be much more demanding...

In 2004, the body of a young Perth woman was found on the grounds of a primary school. Her name was Rebecca Ryle. The killing would mystify investigators, lawyers, and psychologists — and profoundly rearrange the life of the victim's family. It would also involve the author's family, because his brother knew the man charged with the murder. For years,...

Under Their Roof tells the harrowing tale of Kathleen Richards, who was just 17 when she and her sister, Deirdre, found themselves at the doorstep of 25 Cromwell Street, Gloucester. They were seeking lodgings from a seemingly friendly local couple: Fred and Rose West. While growing up in poverty-stricken Dublin in the 1960s, Kathleen experienced abuse from a young age....

The desperate manhunt to bring down Australia's most notorious outlaw When Ned Kelly and his band of young tearaways ambushed and killed three brave policemen in a remote mountain camp in 1878, they sparked the biggest and most expensive manhunt Australia had seen. The desperate search would end when Kelly and his gang, wearing suits of armour, tried to derail...

“A fascinating portrait of an extraordinary life." - Sophie Masson AM, award-winning author Hannah Rigby was a poor Liverpool seamstress, a prisoner, and a serial thief. Exiled from her homeland, oppressed by poverty and rigid social mores, she was used and discarded by a series of men. An “exemplary” servant who was fond of a lark—and a single mother determined...

“There is surely nobody more qualified to tell the stories of the families of missing people than Nicole Morris, who has dedicated much of her life to the selfless and relentless pursuit of information and answers on their behalf. Nicole's knowledge of Australian missing persons cases is incredibly detailed, and she tells their stories with sensitivity and thoughtfulness.” – Kate...

The gripping finale to Three Crooked Kings and Jacks and Jokers brings to a close Matthew Condon's best-selling true-crime trilogy. In 1983, the soon-to-be-knighted Police Commissioner Terry Lewis continues to turn a blind eye to the operation of The Joke, a highly organised system of graft payments from illegal gambling, prostitution, and illicit drugs. As the tentacles of this fraudulent...

Accidental Death explores the reality of ordinary people who find themselves in extraordinary situations when an accident upends their lives. This collection of stories centres on the idea of 'accidental death' and the upheaval caused in the lives of those who lose a loved one in this way. Several of the cases examined here turned out, on investigation, not to...

“An urgent read that illuminates real possibility for change.” —John Carreyrou, New York Times bestselling author of Bad Blood For the first time, a story about the specialised teams of forensic psychologists, FBI agents, and other experts who are successfully stopping mass shootings—a hopeful, myth-busting narrative built on new details of infamous attacks, never-before-told accounts from perpetrators and survivors, and...

One of the landmark Australian true-crime books, with a new introduction following the death of disgraced Police Commissioner Terry Lewis. 'It was the genius of the system ... from day to day you didn't know who was on the take or not. You didn't know who you could trust.' Three Crooked Kings is the shocking true story of Queensland and...

It is 2007, a time of recession and impending climate crisis, and one young man decides to change the world. This is the story of Stephen Jackley, a British geography student with Asperger's Syndrome. Aged just twenty-one, obsessed with the idea of Robin Hood, and with no prior experience, he resolved to become a bank robber. He would steal from...

The Scientist and the Spy is a riveting true story of industrial espionage where a Chinese-born scientist finds himself pursued by the U.S. government for attempting to steal trade secrets. This gripping narrative comes from a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in nonfiction. In September 2011, sheriff's deputies in Iowa encountered three ethnic Chinese men near a field where a...

Discover the definitive book on the Menendez case and the disquieting true story behind Netflix's Monsters: The Lyle and Erik Menendez Story. A successful entertainment executive earning $2 million a year. His former beauty queen wife. Their two sons on the fast track to success. But it was all a façade. The Menendez saga has captivated the American public since...

Longlisted for the 2024 Walkley Book Award 'Lucia Osborne-Crowley is a lighthouse of a writer: steadfast, illuminating and patiently cutting through darkness and horror to lead us to safety.' - Benjamin Law 'Lucia Osborne-Crowley is a writer of depth, determination and uncommon insight.' - Julia Baird I understand - and sympathise with - the feeling you might have that you...

How we explain the evils of the world - and the darkest parts of ourselves - has preoccupied humans throughout history. In The Devil's Best Trick, Randall Sullivan investigates historical, religious and cultural conceptions of evil, from Biblical times to European witch hunts to the devil-worshipping 'Black Mass' ceremony. He travels to Mexico to participate in the 'Hour of the...

Dark... A kingpin willing to murder to protect his dark web drug empire. A corrupt government official determined to avoid exposure. The death of a dark web drugs czar in mysterious circumstances in a Bangkok jail cell, just as the author arrives there. Who is Variety Jones and why have darknet markets ballooned tenfold since authorities shut down the original...

All the big ideas from the most criminal of minds, simply explained. Investigate 100 of the world's most notorious crimes, including the Great Train Robbery, the Lindbergh kidnapping, and the murders of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer. Were the perpetrators delusional, opportunist or truly evil? Find out what really happened and how cases were solved. Discover conmen with sheer verve, such...

The compelling true story of three young ordinary American men and their incredible act of bravery in the Summer of 2015. On 21 August 2015, Ayoub al-Khazzani boarded a train in Brussels bound for Paris. Khazzani's mission was clear—he had an AK-47, a pistol, a box cutter, and enough ammunition to obliterate the 554 passengers on the crowded train. But...

By an expert with over twenty-five years' experience interviewing more than thirty of the most dangerous male and female serial killers of contemporary times, this latest book from the bestselling author explores the darkest corners of these thrill-killers' minds. As all law-enforcement authorities, including the FBI's elite Behavioral Science Unit, will confirm, the majority of sexual psychopaths gain most of...

Leading crime expert Christopher Berry-Dee gained the trust of some of the most infamous convicted killers, having corresponded with them and even entered their prison lairs to discuss their horrific crimes in detail. In this book, he presents six unforgettable prisoners and allows them to tell their stories, as well as giving the details and background of their terrifying cases—making...

Because female murderers, and especially serial murderers, are so rare compared with their male counterparts, this new study will surprise as well as shock, particularly in the cases of women like Beverley Allitt, who kill children, and Janie Lou Gibbs, who killed her three sons and a grandson, as well as her husband. Here too are women who kill under...

One young woman missing, two found murdered — the gripping true story of Australia's longest-running homicide investigation Winner of the Ned Kelly Award for True Crime In the early hours of January 27, 1996, after an evening spent celebrating at Club Bayview in the Perth suburb of Claremont, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers called a taxi to nearby Mosman Park. But when...

One young woman missing, two found murdered — the gripping true story of Australia's longest-running homicide investigation Winner of the Ned Kelly Award for True Crime 2021 In the early hours of January 27, 1996, after an evening spent celebrating at Club Bayview in the Perth suburb of Claremont, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers called a taxi to nearby Mosman Park. But...

Charles Bronson is Britain's most notorious prisoner. He has spent four decades in solitary confinement, and yet has stayed as fit as a fiddle throughout his isolation, gaining several world strength and fitness records in the process. Now, in this no-nonsense guide to getting fit and staying fit, he reveals just how he's done it. Forget fancy gyms, expensive running...

From the bestselling author of The Taking of Jemima Boone, the unbelievable true story of a real-life Swiss Family Robinson (and their dog) who faced sharks, shipwreck, and betrayal. On December 10, 1887, a shark fishing boat disappeared. On board the doomed vessel were the Walkers—the ship’s captain Frederick, his wife Elizabeth, their three teenage sons, and their dog—along with...

Murder on Easey Street is a gripping account of Melbourne's unsolved Easey Street murders, now updated with new interviews and insights. Summer in Melbourne, 1977. Two young women are viciously murdered. The killer has never been found. Forty-five years ago, Suzanne Armstrong and Susan Bartlett were fatally stabbed in their home on Easey Street, Collingwood, while Suzanne's toddler slept in...

A gripping investigation into the crime that scandalised literary London, from Dickens to Thackeray. On a spring morning in 1840, on an ultra-respectable Mayfair street, a household of servants awoke to discover that their unobtrusive master, Lord William Russell, was lying in bed with his throat cut so deeply that the head was almost severed. The whole of London, from...

On 28 August 1984, Josef Fritzl drugged his teenage daughter with ether and imprisoned her in an underground bunker behind eight locked doors. Over the following twenty-four years, he raped and abused her, never letting her or the children she bore him out of the dark, windowless cellar. Based on 150 new interviews with psychologists, neighbours, colleagues and friends who...

The thrilling history of the torso murderer. The tale of the ‘Untouchable’ who got Al Capone but failed to solve his goriest case. —Dan Jones, The Sunday Times In the spirit of Devil in the White City comes a true detective tale of the highest standard: the haunting story of Eliot Ness's forgotten final case–his years-long hunt for "The Mad...

'Banks has told his story in a raw and honest autobiography. It is the best true crime book published in Australia in a decade.' — John Silvester, Crime Reporter for The Age 'These are the best first person true crime books of that era in Queensland that I have read.' — Matthew Condon Undercover was like guerrilla warfare; to understand...

And here I am. Totally alone in a cell with a convicted sex offender who is free to do what he wants. There is no officer. No handcuffs. No radio. Only the man across the desk and me. He looks more petrified than I do. HMP Graymoor. One of the UK’s most notorious prisons. Home to nearly 800 murderers, rapists...

An explosive first-hand account of Level 1 undercover police work, from the cop who infiltrated and dismantled some of the UK's toughest gangs and high-profile gangsters, including Salford's 'Mr Big' and cop killer Dale Cregan. For fans of Running with the Firm, Good Cop Bad War and Soldier Spy. Shortlisted for the Book of the Year and Audiobook of the...

Meshel Laurie, host of the incredibly successful Australian True Crime podcast, speaks to forensic pathologists, homicide detectives, defence barristers, and victims' families in this moving and gripping study of violent crime and large-scale natural disasters. CSI Told You Lies is a gripping account of the work of forensic scientists on the frontline of Australia's major crime and disaster investigations. They...

Australia's Most Brutal Prison Step inside the walls of Boggo Road, Australia's most brutal jail, as inmates and guards reveal the chilling truth of life behind bars. In this gripping new book in James Phelps's bestselling prison series, he uncovers the untold history of Brisbane's infamous jail and the worst - and most colourful - criminals it contained. From daring...

Eugenia is the true crime account of Eugenia Falleni, a woman who, in 1920, was charged with the murder of her wife. Eugenia had lived in Australia for twenty-two years as a man and during that time officially married twice. She lived a full married life with her first wife, Annie, for four years before Annie realised that her husband...

On 29th February 2000, Katherine Knight committed an unspeakable act. A mother of four and a grandmother, she seduced and then stabbed John Price 37 times. A former abattoir worker, she skinned him. A loving partner, she cooked him with vegetables, making a soup with his head. Made gravy. Left him on plates for his family. Why? Pricey was her...

The disturbing true story of the notorious Cecil Hotel in downtown LA, by its general manager for a decade and star of the controversial Netflix documentary series Crime Scene: The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel. When Amy Price took a temporary design job at an Art Deco hotel in Los Angeles to help a friend, she had no idea the...

FROM THE HOST OF THE HIT PODCAST I CATCH KILLERS THE BESTSELLING TRUE CRIME BOOK OF 2022 As a cop, I used to sit on one side of the interview room table facing murderers, child abductors and rapists. Now I'm sitting on the other side: disgraced, forced out of the police and judged to be a criminal. I want to...

New York Times bestselling true crime author Casey Sherman pulls back Tinseltown's velvet curtain to reveal its dark underbelly through the shocking murder of Hollywood darling, Lana Turner—now in paperback! The dark story behind the bright lights of Tinseltown From the outside, Hollywood starlet Lana Turner seemed to have it all—a thriving film career, a beautiful daughter, and the kind...

2025 Edgar Award finalist Oprah Daily ranked #1 of the “best true crime books of all time.” A riveting narrative that pieces together the life and murder of Black socialite Lita McClinton Sullivan—and the journey to bring her true killer to justice. The 1987 murder of Lita McClinton Sullivan sent shockwaves through the affluent Atlanta suburb of Buckhead, Georgia, like...

'A moving testament to the life and work of an extraordinary woman and the country-changing power of journalism' — Christina Patterson, Sunday Times 'A murdered mother's fight for truth and justice lives on through the words of her youngest son' — Angelina Jolie 'A work of rare vividness and authority, devastatingly told' — Financial Times When Paul Caruana Galizia was...

Why would a good person commit a terrible act? Fifteen years ago, Jeannie's relationship with a close friend ended in rape. With the rise of the #MeToo movement, recurring nightmares of the event that plagued her as a girl have returned. To process her conflicted feelings of betrayal and take back control, she resolves to face her trauma head-on by...

For the fans of The War Lovers and The Imperial Cruise comes a new book on the assassination of President William McKinley and a pivotal, dramatic period of upheaval in American history. A SWEEPING TALE OF TURN-OF-THE-CENTURY AMERICA AND THE IRRESISTIBLE FORCES THAT BROUGHT TWO MEN TOGETHER ONE FATEFUL DAY In 1901, as America tallied its gains from a period...

An Edgar Award finalist for Best Fact Crime, this “impressive…open-eyed investigative inquiry wrapped within a cultural history of rural America” (The Wall Street Journal) shows legendary statistician and baseball writer Bill James applying his analytical acumen to crack an unsolved century-old mystery surrounding one of the deadliest serial killers in American history. Between 1898 and 1912, families across the country...

The Killer Book of Serial Killers presents the stories and trivia that cover notorious killers such as John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, the BTK Killer, Jack the Ripper, and the Green River Killer. It also explores serial killers from around the world and much more. This engaging format has been incredibly successful with bathroom readers, selling millions of copies. Now,...

A “well-written, engaging detective story” (Kirkus Reviews, starred review) about a rogue who trades in rare birds and their eggs—and the wildlife detective determined to stop him. On May 3, 2010, an Irish national named Jeffrey Lendrum was apprehended at Britain’s Birmingham International Airport with a suspicious parcel strapped to his stomach. Inside were fourteen rare peregrine falcon eggs snatched...

9 July 1990: the DEA makes the gruesome discovery of nine bodies, dismembered, stuffed into cheap suitcases and buried in a secluded bird sanctuary near Gravesend, Brooklyn. It was Tommy Pitera's personal cemetery. When John Gotti put out a contract on informer Willie Boy Johnson, Pitera took it—he shot him fourteen times in broad daylight outside his home. Pitera not...